A Question Of Cams

So i’m still trying to choose a cam for my engine. At first, like alot of people i thought ok its a road engine and in most circumstances, torque at low revs will be great for pulling away and overtaking. But then i thought about power and if the torquey cam will be abit too tame for when im out for a spirited drive.

So basically Im asking for cams to be put into perspective for me.

Ok so if we have 2 tuned 1275s sitting at the lights. Both the same spec (Exhaust system, stage 3 head, lightened flywheel etc) except the only difference is that once is fitted with an SW-5 and the other with a Kent 286.

When the lights go green, whos going to get to 60 first and why?

But then again, if both cars a cruising at 30 in third, and both put there foot down - Whos going to pull away?

I imagine the SW5 would pull away whilst the 286 was gathering revs, but then once it hits peak power would just catch up and fly by?

I want good overtaking and pulling away power, but then again don’t want the car to run out of steam when i really need it…

I just can’t get my head around what cams will be like to drive.

Never used the SW5.

286 in a 1330 went like the stink. Pulled from 2000rpm ish till the redline. Didnt need to build up revs or anything.

Its in tuktuks car now and when he puts that foot down, his car squats n shoots away. People totally underestimate him as the car just keeps going and going until you run out of gears.

Ive just choosen a PH3 MSPD cam for my 1380cc as abit of an all rounder, but will see what its like when ive built it.

Jordie

Just out of interest and I hope you don’t mind Mike,

Jordie what is the 286 like in traffic and around town?

Thanks

> Just out of interest and I hope you don’t mind Mike,

Jordie what is the 286 like in traffic and around town?

Thanks

Not at all, It could help with my decision…

> Just out of interest and I hope you don’t mind Mike,

Jordie what is the 286 like in traffic and around town?

Thanks

I also run a 286 in my 1293, Its not great around town and in traffic, but its not completely un driveable either, i have mine idling around 1200-1300 RPM, but like jordie says, it just pulls and pulls and pulls.

Around town is not bad at all, I suppose that depends on your driving style. The car its fitted with as a 3.44 diff so that also helps, good comprismise between town and a roads.

Idle is around 1200-1300rpm on that engine. Mixed reports from others running slighty different spec heads etc. Idle can be anywhere between 1000rpm and 1500rpm it would seem looking at forum posts.

I think on a 2.9 Final drive or something it would be a totally different drive, maybe take a short while to feel the cam “come on”.

But the 286 on the 1330cc 3.44 fd drive engine we have, its a brilliant fast all rounder in our eyes.

Jordie

SW5 all the way plenty low range torque but when overtaking there’s no problem ITS the best…

All sounds good.

I’m still tempted by minispares fast road cam though - Its near enough half the price of a 286 and i’ve been recommended it by a few people.

Looking at the details of that cam how does it compare to a 286: Minispares Fast Road Cam..

Because im still pretty new to cams and things, i don’t really know what it all means:

DURATION INLET 264 EXAUST 268, LIFT INLET 264 EXAUST 289

cant find the link now.

But theres a file someone made called mini cams.xls

It lists aload of cams with there specs, duration etc.

You will be able to look at the cams you have been told about and compare.

And found this info for you…
> Lift

Lift refers to maximum valve lift. This is how much the valve is “lifted” off its seat at the cam lobe’s highest point. The intake and exhaust valves need to be open to let air/fuel in and exhaust out of the cylinders. Generally, opening the valves quicker and further will increase engine output. Increasing valve lift, without increasing duration, can yield more power without much change to the nature of the power curve. However, an increase in valve lift almost always is accompanied by an increase in duration. This is because ramps are limited in their shape which is directly related to the type of lifters being used, such as flat or roller.
Duration

Duration is the angle in crankshaft degrees that the valve stays off its seat during the lifting cycle of the cam lobe. Increasing duration keeps the valve open longer, and can increase high-rpm power. Doing so increases the RPM range that the engine produces power. By increasing duration without a change in lobe separation angle will result in increased valve overlap.
Overlap

Overlap is the angle in crankshaft degrees that both the intake and exhaust valves are open. This occurs at the end of the exhaust stroke and the beginning of the intake stroke. Increasing lift duration and/or decreasing lobe separation increases overlap. At high engine speeds, overlap allows the rush of exhaust gasses out the exhaust valve to help pull the fresh air/fuel mixture into the cylinder through the intake valve. Increased engine speed enhances the effect. Therefore increasing overlap, increases top-end power and reduces low-speed power and idle quality.
Timing

For timing take this as an example 22-62, 62-22.

* The first 22 shows how many degrees the inlet valve opens before top dead center,
* The first 62 shows how many degrees the inlet valve closes after bottom dead center,
* The second 62 shows how many degrees the exhaust valve opens before bottom dead center,
* The second 22 shows how many degrees the exhaust valve closes after top dead center.

The duration and overlap is calculated by using these values.

To conclude, any given camshaft will be perfect only at one engine speed. At every other engine speed, the engine won’t perform to its full potential. A fixed camshaft is, therefore, always a compromise. In the next article we will look at the different camshaft arrangements and how these help the cams perform better.

Cheers for that Jordie, im learning now haha

Just had a look in the FAQ section - Is this the cam thread your talking about: Link

I`m running a 296 in a 1330 and its awesome if a little tiresome in traffic but that is mostly down to the paddle clutch

Ha thats good,I forgot i posted that.

Its similar to that, but its an excel file containing all that information on about 50camshafts. I cant for the life of me remember the link now grrrr. I have the excel file on my pc,but im using the laptop at the moment.

this one?
http://www.edhodson.com/personal/miniresto/Mini%20Cams.xls

yes that one!!! lol

> All sounds good.

I’m still tempted by minispares fast road cam though - Its near enough half the price of a 286 and i’ve been recommended it by a few people.

Looking at the details of that cam how does it compare to a 286: Minispares Fast Road Cam…

Because im still pretty new to cams and things, i don’t really know what it all means:

DURATION INLET 264 EXAUST 268, LIFT INLET 264 EXAUST 289

That’ll be tamer than a 286. Probably more like the Kent 266

Maybe a 276. Looks a good bet, inbetween the SW5 and 286?

Well if you can remember you cant send it me/post it in here - Sounds like a useful file because piper do a few fast road cams such as the 285 which is apparently there version of a Kent 286 but about £45 cheaper. So if i could compare the 2 i could potencially get a very similar cam to a 286 but much cheaper.

Im just trying to compare the SW5 with this minispares cam. Now on that cam comparison thread you posted it says the SW5 has 0.281" Of Intake Lift and 0.281" of Exhaust Lift. The minispares website says there cam has Intake Lift of 264 and Exhaust lift of 289. So the inlet lift is 0.017" less than the SW5 cam if my maths is right.

Thats nothing right? Or is that alot when you talking about lift? So the 2 cams are very similar in that respect.

see the link posted on page 1. thats the excel file!

Yeah i read about the 276, sounds perfect for me really but again its abit pricey when there a possibility of something very similar for half the price.

Then again i did find a thread on minifinity through google when i was trying to find out about the morpseed ph3 when the morspeed site was down and over there they reckon the 276 was pap - They gave no reason though so could just be underated. Link to cam thread: Link

type…cam…manufactuer…duration…intake / exh lift…timing figure

Fast Road Evolution001 Minispares 264/268 0.264 0.289 107.0
Mild Road SW5 Swiftune 244/244 0.281 0.281 108.0